After a quite in depth discussion earlier on AIM with Patrick. I decided it would be wise to actually write down some of my plans for the zombie apocalypse (or any sudden onset of Anarchy for that matter).
First off, chances are I would be home. I'm always home anymore and even working 40 hours a week, I'm home at least 120 hours out of the week. It seems wise for the plan to assume I'm going to be starting from home.
So first step, grab what useful valuables I have at home. For example: laptop, non-perishable food, maybe my desktop if I have time (could be useful much later on), some cloths that fully cover the body (long pants, long sleaves), cell phone and chargers (AC and car), two-way radios, hunting knives, camping gear (tents, lanterns), etc. (No I don't own a gun, that's another discussion entirely. See extremesims.com if you want to talk about it.)
Dump it all in my car (which is pulled up to the front door by the way) with my roommate and whatever friends show up by then.
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That's my car. Yes it will all fit. I know because I've taken much more than that camping and it fit no problem. Afterwards I hop on I-95 or backstreets, I'll have to make a judgment call, and head to the Philadelphia Armory. About a 20 minutes trip from my place.
(http://www.phillyfunguide.com/images/venue/2090/2090.jpg)
Looks like a castle doesn't it? I don't plan on staying there. Whereas they have plenty of guns and ammo and there will most likely be paramilitary there, there's no food and the number of people will probably be high. Plan is to depend on the panic to decrease security. If we can't get in, there are several gun shops within two blocks. Trick is to get there quick.
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On the way to the armory are warhouses that have many trucks like above (or larger). Going to dump all of the stuff from the car into the truck (try to find an empty one with at least some gas), maybe grab two trucks. If friends are following, we'll take the truck and my car (it's faster and newer, better gas mileage than anything my friends have). If not I'll have to leave the car. Thought of it makes me sad. Hopefully we'll have no more than three or four vehicles.
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Ok so anyway, onto the armory (or gun shops if neccessary). Plan is to grab guns and ammo. Ideally we want M16's. Light, easy to carry, accurate, among alot of other things. And they just look cool :D We'll also want sidearms, anything .45 or even 9mm if we have to will do. Really we can't be picky can we?
(http://www.rifleshootermag.com/featured_rifles/RSmauser_090607A.jpg)
Ideally we'll also be able to grab some kind of medium/long range weapon. This will be usefull once we hole up. Any hunting rifle will do also. We'll also want a few shotguns for later, they have their uses.
I'll want to hit a few electronics stores on the way out, grab some radios and other useful items like generators. But I will want to keep moving north.
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Philadelphia&1s=PA&2c=White+Haven&2s=PA
Next we're on our way north. Why north? There's nothing there! Actually I know the area really well and there's plenty of places we can stop to stock up on food and gas on the way. Lots of little towns. We either take I-76 up or one of the many back roads I know. Small towns, raid the food stops, keep moving. Goal is to get to highway 940. My friend has a place up there, very nice, lots of room, easy to defend.
So now I'm in the middle of nowhere and set for sitting for a few weeks. We've got generators if the electricity doesn't stay on. Food to last, and two small towns fairly nearby that we can make day trips to for supplies. (Note that "nearby" up there is at least 20-30 miles)
During the stay is when the radios will become useful. I will try to get ahold of other survivors, namely Patrick who will be holed up in WV. From that point on it's just calling it as I see it. I will probably try to make the trip south to WV if everything looks good there, or maybe he will want to get out and move north.
Anyone else got any ideas? I'm a little too nice so I'll probably end up gathering quite a large group. Especially since I'll probably be inviting survivors over the radio to join us. If you think this is silly, then laugh cause it is. I'm sure more people than you realize have thought this out at least as much as I have.
Opps, forgot the booze. Goes without saying, it's neccessary.
You forgot the horses. How are you going to get around with no gas?
Quotethere's plenty of places we can stop to stock up on food and gas on the way
Quotetwo small towns fairly nearby that we can make day trips to for supplies
wont have to worry about horses until much later, even then there should be enough gas laying around
horses have got to eat, so it's either get more food or get more gas. gas will be easier to find.
Quote from: Kotodama on Sat, 2009-07-18 : 22:09
horses have got to eat, so it's either get more food or get more gas. gas will be easier to find.
Wait for it.....
I agree with Chuck. With so many people infected, gas will be easy to come by as long as we are somewhat near population centers. The plus? Molotov cocktails.
Well Chuck thats a great plan for when the Zombie Apocalypse comes but lets say u do everything u say (and hope to hell these zombies are the Night of the Living Dead version and not the Dawn of the Dead version cuz if they are the later then u gonna get snagged by fast running zombies b4 u even make it to ur car) and u make it out to ur summer resort and start to bring in survivors. Well all it takes is one infected person to get them all infected and all ur planning and setting up would be for nothing. Well heres my plan.
Once word comes through from either radio or television i would more than likely stay home with my family and begin to board up and bunker down. I would take stock of all our perishables and non-perishables and only leave my safe bunker when the time came to stock up on food. Gas is not a problem since most ppl gonna be running out leaving and more than likely becoming zombie chow so theres plenty of cars out there to use btu more than likely i would travel by foot fast and swift tryin to not draw attention to myself. As for armaments besides having several baseball bats (and a few hidden surprises in hand to hand weaponry) i also have my prized Samurai Sword that ive named "Shikaka" which is sharpened and rdy to be used on the unsuspecting zombie (or burgular), anything quiet is a must since killing one zomb quietly is better than killing a horde of zombs loudly but if it does come down to range weapons then i could raid the nice nearby military bases for Assault rifles and pistols with silencers attached of cousre adn maybe for range i would go with a silenced M21 sniper rifle or hell a crossbow would be fine too. And all in all i would wait it out till the invasion ends or we all die. Besides i also have 2 major things going for me. For One i live on an Island so its not too likely the infection could spread this far adn Two if it did then there are docked Navel warships adn carriers that i could borrow for my small grp of family adn friends. Stay out on the ocean and find a nice place to visit like lets say antartica for starters ;D
Oh boy I can't wait for my Mike to find this thread...
He'll ramble on for hours about the zombie apocalypse. I believe once, when we first started dating, he took the opposite side stance, saying he might let himself get bit, because "who knows, being a zombie might be like having orgasms and eating chocolate bars all day."
In terms of armory..... you take what you can find. Those of us with some guns already, though, have some favorites for every situation.
Handguns
For zombies, I would have to go with maximum tissue damage rounds. 9mm while nice, is not really ideal. .40 and .45 ACP JHPs are more ideal, IMO, for automatics. High caliber revolvers, while having tremendous damage potential have some drawbacks in situations involving lots of targets... Cap will disagree here. ;) Although.... that Taurus Judge.... ok. I'd take one of those in a heartbeat as a backup handgun for zombies. Alternate loading with .410 and 3" mags, right Cap? For me, it would still be all about the .45 JHPs in a 5" barrel configuration (for decent range and still very wieldy). Model 1911s with high capacity mags. But then, Cap thinks I am an automatic snob. I doubt you would need penetration. Zombies aren't going to go for cover at short range.
Shotguns
Riot gun types. You want short range, high dispersal. Folding stock a necessity. You aren't hunting pheasant, you are stopping zombies. So, avoid long barrels and stocks. Luckily, a hack saw and some duck tape are very easy to find.
Assault Rifles
Anything on the AR-15/M-16 chassis will be easy to find parts for (from any US armory). Although, I would tend to the 5.56 caliber end for best ROF, reliability, ease of finding ammo (same as the .223 Remington), and decent range. The idea would be more lead on target as opposed to single shot damage... which leads me to...
Rifles
Ideally, .50 BMG! Anything less is a compromise for zombies, IMO. If going lighter, then maybe something like the Xtreme Machining .338 Xtreme Tactical for extremely long range. Downside would be the availability of the ammo, though. For the easy to find ammo versions, though, I would stick to two kinds of rifles. First would be a Winchester 30-30 (I have a real soft spot for lever actions and they are a excellent tradeoff for this type of situation) and second would be a bolt action .30-06 or 7mm Remington Mag (Savage makes an awesome one). Both very good calibers and pretty popular so easy to find ammo. The idea of both is due to how you hunt with each. A 30-30 has limited range, but is great for brush (nice penetration) while any bolt action works well for longer range. At range, you want some penetration to shoot through anything that a running target may (in the case of zombies accidentally) get in the way.
And of the above, I am 3/4 in terms of ordinance.... hmmm.... Cap, I think I may be close to thinking about what I need as my next gun from writing this. ;)
just me and my mossburg
Quote from: One Ear on Sun, 2009-07-19 : 13:58
High caliber revolvers, while having tremendous damage potential have some drawbacks in situations involving lots of targets... Cap will disagree here. ;) Although.... that Taurus Judge.... ok. I'd take one of those in a heartbeat as a backup handgun for zombies. Alternate loading with .410 and 3" mags, right Cap?
Nope, I have to admit you're right and I'm wrong. For lots of targets, you're fucked when that revolver runs out. It's only good for stopping the big targets - or for stopping the live humans who show up to steal your food and fuck your wife.
Quote from: One Ear on Sun, 2009-07-19 : 13:58
You aren't hunting pheasant, you are stopping zombies. So, avoid long barrels and stocks. Luckily, a hack saw and some duck tape are very easy to find.
Amen brother, amen. Even if you miss the head-shot, a shotgun will at least cause enough damage to slow them down.
Quote from: One Ear on Sun, 2009-07-19 : 13:58
First would be a Winchester 30-30 (I have a real soft spot for lever actions and they are a excellent tradeoff for this type of situation)
Yep, can't beat the rate of fire a lever action gives you, for a non semi-auto. Plus the .30-.30 is usually a heavier bullet. So it'll punch right through the skull.
Quote from: One Ear on Sun, 2009-07-19 : 13:58
and second would be a bolt action .30-06 or 7mm Remington Mag... At range, you want some penetration to shoot through anything that a running target may (in the case of zombies accidentally) get in the way
Yep, long range ordinance. I keep a bunch of .30-06 with 200 grain bullets (that means a lot more lead in the bullet. Standard .30-06 usually runs between 110-150 grain. Mostly in bullets used to kill deer. 200 grain won't go as far, but it has more "hit pounds" and greater penetration.)
Chuck and I discussed shotguns. I think their use depends on vector. If the pathogen is airborne and/or can be transmitted by contact with blood particulates a la 28 Days Later, are whippets the best choice?
OTOH, if it's like L4D, and the survivors are immune, bring on the entry shotguns.
Just remember, Todd and Rod - my first stop is one of the two friends down here with federal licenses and an arsenal, maybe a quick stop by Manshoon's place, next stop is Morgantown, last stop is somewhere we can bunker down. ;)
Agreed on the bunker down. I would think either Caps parents or the farm I hunt on. You can get more isolated easily if you need to, and both would be easy to defend.
uhh pretty sure i would get a katana or claymore and go to town :O
Quote from: Vitandus on Sun, 2009-07-19 : 15:47
Just remember, Todd and Rod - my first stop is one of the two friends down here with federal licenses and an arsenal, maybe a quick stop by Manshoon's place, next stop is Morgantown, last stop is somewhere we can bunker down. ;)
Quote from: One Ear on Sun, 2009-07-19 : 16:23
Agreed on the bunker down. I would think either Caps parents or the farm I hunt on. You can get more isolated easily if you need to, and both would be easy to defend.
Funny you guys should mention that. ;) All of my trusted friends are welcome at my place. I've got 3 bedrooms, after they fill up, anyone else showing up will have to sleep on the couches or sleep on the floor. (When the house fills up, we'll start taking over some of my closest neighbor's houses and fortify them as well.) I'll need help hunting for food and tending the garden for vegetables. Mankind survived for centuries on food that they grew and hunted.
I have "city" water, fed from a local reservoir. There are electrical pump stations that force the water, but I'm told that there will be residual water pressure created by gravity. So as long as the integrity of the lines remains intact, we'll never run out. In the chance that it does shut off, we can boil water from the old cistern that's near my house for our water supply.
For light at night, I know how to make candles from rendered animal fat, and we can use either dried straw or very thin willow twigs for wicks. I also have a number of solar powered lights around the yard that turn on at night, as well as the human powered flashlights, (and a human powered emergency short-wave radio). All doors and windows on the ground floor will be bricked and boarded up, and all upper windows will be blacked out so any wandering un-friendlies won't see lights in the house at night and come to investigate.
For heat in the winter, there are plenty of trees in WV. I have a fireplace that works pretty well, and with more people in the house generating heat, less wood needs to be burnt.
We'll have to search (hopefully) abandoned houses and stores for medical supplies and we'll need multi-vitamins to supplement any nutrients we're missing. My wife has a little EMT training, and I once had an advanced first aid certification, but that's not enough for every emergency situation, so we'll need to hedge our pooled medical knowledge. Also, some of us will have to sleep in shifts so we can take turns on watch for zombies or assholes who belong in that 75% of humanity that just sucks ass... Which is one of the reasons I chose my house 's location. No real cover from any direction of approach. No humans or zombies will sneak up on us without being seen; any non-friendly human, will get shot long before they see where whomever is on watch is hiding on my roof. If they think about sneaking up on us at night, I've got 5 very paranoid dogs, and they're not tied up outside, so they can't be shot or poisoned.
A good dog will watch your back, help you hunt, and put themselves between you and harm's way, all for a meal and a warm dry place to sleep.
So, one major caveat for anybody else who shows up. If you don't like dogs, don't think of them as equals, and aren't willing to share living space with them, you're not welcome.
Quote from: Capuloclavo on Sun, 2009-07-19 : 16:35
A good dog will watch your back, help you hunt, and put themselves between you and harm's way, all for a meal and a warm dry place to sleep.
So, one major caveat for anybody else who shows up. If you don't like dogs, don't think of them as equals, and aren't willing to share living space with them, you're not welcome.
As a personal note. I've known Rod more than long enough to know he will shoot the human to save the dog. And honestly given how most people who are not scared shitless or have gone just plain insane will probably react less than admirable to the sudden change in the world, I wouldn't blame him in the least.
Shelters and bunkers will not be like Survivor. There's no getting "voted off the island". Whoever is running the show for that particular group is more likely to shoot you and use you as bait than to kindly ask you to leave. Assholes will be in large supply.
http://www.cracked.com/article_15643_5-scientific-reasons-zombie-apocalypse-could-actually-happen.html
After my wall of text, I was waiting for the ...
"...Holy Shit Rod, do you sit around and think about this shit all the time?"
Chuck was concerned that this thread would elicit no responses. I told him I know we're not the only ones who think about it (or the coming civil insurrection).
Quote from: Vitandus on Sun, 2009-07-19 : 17:56
Chuck was concerned that this thread would elicit no responses. I told him I know we're not the only ones who think about it (or the coming civil insurrection).
Exactly. We realize just how bad it would get. Those of you that live in or near large urban areas? Either get out as fast as you can or just use the first bullet on yourself. Even if it is Zombies and not the coming civil insurrection, the civil unrest that occurs is going to kill you before any zombies do. Killing, raping, looting, the whole stereotypical scenario... So, staying quiet and unseen for the first month or so is probably the best approach. I'm personally worried about my neighbors, most of them are transplanted suburbanites. They have no practical know-how or survival skills, so I'm willing to bet that they'll be around to steal my food and whatever else they find. I'd probably be better off killing them first. Survival is a nasty business. Most survivors who do find you are probably going to kill you for your guns, ammo, and food. Either that or they'll just kill you for kicks, or because they want to fuck the shit out of your wife and/or kids. Maybe they'll keep them alive so they can repeatedly fuck them or maybe they'll just kill them when they are done. Think I'm a cynic or misanthrope? Statistics support my statements. Read about all of the shit that went down in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. Like I said earlier, 75% of humanity sucks ass.
ADDENDUM: Reading this, it really does look like I'm batshit crazy.
Quote from: Capuloclavo on Sun, 2009-07-19 : 18:07
ADDENDUM: Reading this, it really does look like I'm batshit crazy.
No. You're a realist to the harshness of that type of scenario and what you think it would require. A view that I agree with as you know. Our fathers (at least mine) pondered the results of a nuclear holocaust and how to protect their families. We ponder a zombie apocalypse and are not going to be surprised by the coming civil unrest we foresee.
Are Violent Video Games Adequately Preparing Children For The Apocalypse? (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/are_violent_video_games?utm_source=a-section)
I'm not an expert on guns, but this is the internet so I can talk.
Wouldn't an AK be better due to the less maintenece and less training needed?
Also, on the access to gas, don't the pumps require electricity? What is the odds the grid will be intact?
M16s are the standard AR for military and param-errr SWAT teams in the USA. Lots of ammo and easy to maintain.
Siphon gas if needed. I know I can't be the only one that's done that.
In the state of WV, fully automatic weapons are legal, with a permit that's not too hard to get. Therefore, most M16/AR15 types of weapons are plentiful, along with the ammunition.
As for gasoline, believe it or not, most larger gas stations such as truck stops are required to have back up generators that are gas powered. Fire 'em up and get your gasoline. Also most Department of Highway / Department of Transportation sites - you know the places that store salt and cinders for winter? Most of those places have one or two gas pumps, and also are required to have a back up power supply. You can break into those places for a quick re-fill if need be. (Chuck, the PenDOT ones are almost always a good place to pick up some free gasoline, even the mostly rural ones.)
If you don't feel like siphoning gas, most gas tanks are accessible under the automobile. All you need is something pointed, like a large nail or a screwdriver filed down to a point, and a few milk jugs or coffee cans.
Quote from: Lumara on Sun, 2009-07-19 : 19:55
I'm not an expert on guns, but this is the internet so I can talk.
Wouldn't an AK be better due to the less maintenece and less training needed?
Also, on the access to gas, don't the pumps require electricity? What is the odds the grid will be intact?
m16s are increadibly easy to learn to shoot. i could teach you to pass basic military requirements in 2 maybe 3 hours.
Quote from: Vitandus on Sun, 2009-07-19 : 17:56
Chuck was concerned that this thread would elicit no responses. I told him I know we're not the only ones who think about it (or the coming civil insurrection).
I was sure that we were not the only onces who thought about it or discussed it, Pat. But who would be willing to admit it? I was unsure. Also I was unsure as to how many have actually laid out a detailed plan.
I knew Rod would at least ;D
Zombie Attack, Civil Unrest, Nuclear War, etc etc. These all ultimately result in the same state of society. A kind of Mad Max, Thunderdome type of society. Or you can look at Resident Evil which I think is a very good depiction. You can read the material on John Titor also and see how he described what a post World War 3 world might look like (regardless of whether he really was a time traveler or not, his descriptions of society post WW3 are very interesting). There is also a very good book I read called The Immortals by Tracy Hickman that takes place after a major viral out break in the near future, also a possiblity that can create a breakdown of ordered society.
The point is that I believe it is inevitable that our world as we know can and will collapse. Those that are interested in history can probably tell you what happened after the Roman Empire fell. They can tell you what happened when the last bird flu hit around the time of World War 1, those countries that lost most of their population to it.
The idea that our society is invincible is simply arrogant.
What kind of zombies are we talking about here? RE? L4D?
Quote from: Dave on Mon, 2009-07-20 : 02:00
What kind of zombies are we talking about here? RE? L4D?
Slow or fast, the danger is the same. The idea is the same, shoot them before they get too close or avoid them entirely if possible. For this, weaponization is key. Something that can hit hard, is accurate at medium range and is easy for a novice to use (maybe after some quick instruction).
Quote from: Kotodama on Mon, 2009-07-20 : 02:18
Quote from: Dave on Mon, 2009-07-20 : 02:00
What kind of zombies are we talking about here? RE? L4D?
Slow or fast, the danger is the same. The idea is the same, shoot them before they get too close or avoid them entirely if possible. For this, weaponization is key. Something that can hit hard, is accurate at medium range and is easy for a novice to use (maybe after some quick instruction).
mossburg shotguns, easy to load, shoot, nice solid power and you can shoot/load one if you lose an arm.
I guess you would want autmatic loading shotties. I always love the pump action though. Something about the sound it makes gets me all hot and bothered.
Quote from: tulion on Mon, 2009-07-20 : 10:13
mossburg shotguns, easy to load, shoot, nice solid power and you can shoot/load one if you lose an arm.
lever action! you could just do it Arnie style (T2) and flip em around with one arm still ;D
IMO if you lose an arm you're probably fucked several ways to begin with. Regardless of what kind of zombie we're talking about, it seems a common trend that blood attracts them. No amount of guns or ammo is going to save you. Not even going to mention the effects of blood loss and bacterial infection. I sure as hell am not going to let someone with a bloody stump hanging from their shoulder into my group. I'll give you a hand gun and one bullet and let you decide what to do with it.
Quote from: Kotodama on Mon, 2009-07-20 : 15:12
I'll give you a hand gun and one bullet and let you decide what to do with it.
If it's based on how the Left4Dead games go, it's probably because I had to come save your ass when you Rambo'd on ahead. I'd use the bullet to make the world a safer place, but if I already gave up an arm, that would just be silly.
Asian Dave does bring up the same point I did - what kind of zombies? If it's 28 Days Later zombies, and someone just had their arm chewed off, yup, bullet to the head. If it's Left4Dead situation where we're immune, then Dermabond and bandages.
Quote from: Vitandus on Mon, 2009-07-20 : 15:17
Quote from: Kotodama on Mon, 2009-07-20 : 15:12
I'll give you a hand gun and one bullet and let you decide what to do with it.
If it's based on how the Left4Dead games go, it's probably because I had to come save your ass when you Rambo'd on ahead. I'd use the bullet to make the world a safer place, but if I already gave up an arm, that would just be silly.
It's not my fault you're slow old man. ;D
Quote from: Kotodama on Mon, 2009-07-20 : 15:19
It's not my fault you're slow old man. ;D
Sprinting into a pack of zombies isn't fast, it's just dumb. Lakecat is slow and hangs back too much and gets jumped. You run off ahead and get swarmed. Rod and I leapfrog and live.
:chainsaw:
(Edit - WoW needs a chainsaw.)
the reason I asked is because the type of zombie they are makes a difference in how much you should burden yourself with unnecessary arms. RE zombies die relatively quickly and they're quite slow, so unless you're in an impenetrable maze of debris that's welded together, your getaway will be quite easy. L4D zombies, while much much faster, are also quite fragile, and head shots or point blank shotgun hits can mow them down as well. But imagine the're Deadspace zombies, where they don't die unless you shoot off each of their limbs, plus one in the head and two more in the torso. You're wasting a good portion of a clip on each guy, so in that case, running may be the better option, as they are moderately quick.
Should we just assume L4D then, since that's where you seem to be basing all of your ideas from.
In that case, I'd burn the city to the ground behind me if I could.
Well I don't want to type a page here, but I think my best plan after reading Max Brook's zombie survival guide and world war Z would be to find a school. Preferably a high school. Take the metal from filing cabinents, use stuff from vocational area to weld or somehow affix these to the windows, make the place secure. A lot of high schools now have barbed wire fencing which helps a little too if you reinforce it. The nurses area has rudimentary medical supplies, the cafeteria has plenty of food. Tear up the gymnasium floor, down to the dirt to use as a garden area if needed. If the roof had skylights, great, if not, have to do something about the ceiling. The busses that would be there could be modified and used as heavy vehicles when we needed to go gather supplies, like of course you'd need weapons and possibly better medical equipment, fuel etc. And go to a rural school like some near where I live. NOT the big cities. For god's sake, stay out of the cities. Gather up other survivors and make a colony out of the school. Classrooms could be used as housing without much trouble and in a last ditch survival tactic if the zombies get through our defenses, we can create escape tunnels by hollowing out walls and using lockers. Climb into the locker, instead of a wall, it's open in the back and there's a tunnel to escape or alternatively hide in.
After the zombies are gone and the government is trying to reassert control comes the fun part. No doubt, colonies will be reluctant and fighting the government in places. So I'd sell myself as a spy to get into other colonies by posing as the "damsel in distress" then I'd gain their trust and either spread the zombie plague in their ranks or help the government open the front doors. I'd be paid well for my services. Get into a higher level of government because of my prowess and position, gain power and rule the lands with an iron fist. I'd shackle the zombies and use them as my own personal biological weapons. Can you imagine it? Thousands of zombies with metal collars on chains, forcing them towards hold out colonies, watching everyone devoured alive for daring to oppose me. Think of the psychological effect! People would simply submit out of fear. I could write about this all day...
If none of this works...well I'll just join the zombies. I'd try to inject myself with their blood. I don't want to be eaten alive. Do it in the north so I wouldn't decay as quickly. Maybe even try like in the monster island series. Hook myself up to a breathing machine while I turn and see if I can retain sentience, if the lack of oxygen is genuinely what kills brain tissue. I'd be a lich! Oh that'd just be swell.
P.S. Oh and Chuck? I'd infiltrate your little hideout and let the zombies in. Don't forget there's people like me out there who would do it for the lulz. Without the internet to entertain me, IRL trolling is all I'd have left.
Soon as you showed up at the front gate all flirty asking to be let in, I would shoot you. Joe will agree with me:
You can't trust the bitches.
I wouldn't be flirty. I'd arrange to have zombies chasing me. If they were government zombies, they'd have no teeth or claws to scratch me. I'd be running towards the compound and it'd either be let me in or watch a fellow human die in cold blood because you wouldn't open the door. Talk tough but when you see someone about to die, even if you personally wouldn't open the gates, someone would. Then that'd be the end of it within a few weeks. Arthas has the right idea. He just needs a better PR department.
Quote from: Vitandus on Mon, 2009-07-20 : 15:24
Quote from: Kotodama on Mon, 2009-07-20 : 15:19
It's not my fault you're slow old man. ;D
Sprinting into a pack of zombies isn't fast, it's just dumb. Lakecat is slow and hangs back too much and gets jumped. You run off ahead and get swarmed. Rod and I leapfrog and live.
:chainsaw:
(Edit - WoW needs a chainsaw.)
Honestly I'm used to faster moving groups. Some groups I get into just crawl and get jumped like crazy, I hate it. Good groups in Vs will move very very fast because they're trying to limit the number of spawns the infected have and also get in front of those that do manage to spawn. You know you're playing against a good group in Vs if you always find yourself far behind the survivors.
But really, I'm probably going to be very slow in the real deal honestly lol. Alot of cover to cover movement. I'm in no shape to run. Actually might just grab a dirt bike or a quad or something... who knows.
(WoW DOES need a chainsaw)
Quote from: Erin/Radiant on Mon, 2009-07-20 : 16:10
I wouldn't be flirty. I'd arrange to have zombies chasing me. If they were government zombies, they'd have no teeth or claws to scratch me. I'd be running towards the compound and it'd either be let me in or watch a fellow human die in cold blood because you wouldn't open the door. Talk tough but when you see someone about to die, even if you personally wouldn't open the gates, someone would. Then that'd be the end of it within a few weeks. Arthas has the right idea. He just needs a better PR department.
Erin, he'd watch you die. And Rod would be behind him laughing. And Joe would be taking a shot for each time you're bitten.
Well I wouldn't die...I'd just kind of walk away. Toothless zombies aren't going to do a lot to me. And if not you guys...well someone would let me in. On a side note, there's got to be something wrong in my brain to want to help the zombies. My mothering instinct got weird somewhere.
I already told Erin I would shoot her in the head as soon as the first zombie was discovered. I know the bitch's plan and I am not about to let that shit go down.
Quote from: Kotodama on Mon, 2009-07-20 : 16:13
Quote from: Erin/Radiant on Mon, 2009-07-20 : 16:10
I wouldn't be flirty. I'd arrange to have zombies chasing me. If they were government zombies, they'd have no teeth or claws to scratch me. I'd be running towards the compound and it'd either be let me in or watch a fellow human die in cold blood because you wouldn't open the door. Talk tough but when you see someone about to die, even if you personally wouldn't open the gates, someone would. Then that'd be the end of it within a few weeks. Arthas has the right idea. He just needs a better PR department.
Erin, he'd watch you die. And Rod would be behind him laughing. And Joe would be taking a shot for each time you're bitten.
Well, let's be brutally honest here. Throughout history, societal collapse has never been easy for women, especially single women. (Trust me, I'm a history major). All too often they end up only being valuable because of what they have between their legs. So, you could run to whatever would be left of the government. I'd be willing to bet that you'd end up tied to a bed with a collar around your neck and the semen of a number of different men caking dry on your thighs. Because the first priority of any military group trying to establish order is that they keep their soldiers happy... and if you aren't a medic, or have any useful survival skills they need... well... you still have a vagina...
If it were my camp or fortification, I wouldn't let you in. A single woman un-armed who has somehow survived all alone?? Yeah, I'd smell a rat and shoot you first. Anybody who tried to let you in would probably either be shot immediately or tossed over the fence to the zombies... Survival is a nasty business.
...I'd be armed. I'm a pretty good shot. I have some medical training. CPR, AED heimlich and first aid certified. It'd be okay to let me in. I wouldn't do that to you guys. I'd help us survive like Dr. Quinn on the frontier. I mean I'd do that to OTHER compounds sure, and after it was safe to leave, we'd see.
Quote from: Erin/Radiant on Mon, 2009-07-20 : 16:46
... I mean I'd do that to OTHER compounds sure, and after it was safe to leave, we'd see...
Too late! We can't trust you! You've already divulged your evil plan! :P
Ah, I'm coldly realistic, but not bloodthirsty. Anybody can boil water or tend a garden, stitch together clothes, make candles, etc. We'd only throw out the lazy people.
Quote from: Erin/Radiant on Mon, 2009-07-20 : 16:46
...I'd be armed. I'm a pretty good shot. I have some medical training. CPR, AED heimlich and first aid certified. It'd be okay to let me in. I wouldn't do that to you guys. I'd help us survive like Dr. Quinn on the frontier. I mean I'd do that to OTHER compounds sure, and after it was safe to leave, we'd see.
Wow, she's already moving on her plan it seems... Shoot her now rather than later!
Quote from: Capuloclavo on Mon, 2009-07-20 : 16:37
Well, let's be brutally honest here. Throughout history, societal collapse has never been easy for women, especially single women. (Trust me, I'm a history major). All too often they end up only being valuable because of what they have between their legs. So, you could run to whatever would be left of the government. I'd be willing to bet that you'd end up tied to a bed with a collar around your neck and the semen of a number of different men caking dry on your thighs. Because the first priority of any military group trying to establish order is that they keep their soldiers happy... and if you aren't a medic, or have any useful survival skills they need... well... you still have a vagina...
If it were my camp or fortification, I wouldn't let you in. A single woman un-armed who has somehow survived all alone?? Yeah, I'd smell a rat and shoot you first. Anybody who tried to let you in would probably either be shot immediately or tossed over the fence to the zombies... Survival is a nasty business.
Nice imagery here Rod. Probably not far from the truth. When society falls it and people realize they won't or can't get in trouble for some of the things that are currently tagged as taboo or wrong, then they will slowly degrade into animals. Most men will degrade into 3 basic instincts; Food, shelter, and dominance over others. Which usually means women are the ones to suffer most.
Quote from: Korrtez on Tue, 2009-07-21 : 10:38
Quote from: Capuloclavo on Mon, 2009-07-20 : 16:37
Well, let's be brutally honest here. Throughout history, societal collapse has never been easy for women, especially single women. (Trust me, I'm a history major). All too often they end up only being valuable because of what they have between their legs. So, you could run to whatever would be left of the government. I'd be willing to bet that you'd end up tied to a bed with a collar around your neck and the semen of a number of different men caking dry on your thighs. Because the first priority of any military group trying to establish order is that they keep their soldiers happy... and if you aren't a medic, or have any useful survival skills they need... well... you still have a vagina...
If it were my camp or fortification, I wouldn't let you in. A single woman un-armed who has somehow survived all alone?? Yeah, I'd smell a rat and shoot you first. Anybody who tried to let you in would probably either be shot immediately or tossed over the fence to the zombies... Survival is a nasty business.
Nice imagery here Rod. Probably not far from the truth. When society falls it and people realize they won't or can't get in trouble for some of the things that are currently tagged as taboo or wrong, then they will slowly degrade into animals. Most men will degrade into 3 basic instincts; Food, shelter, and dominance over others. Which usually means women are the ones to suffer most.
3 CHEERS FOR ANAL SEX!!!!
Quote from: tulion on Tue, 2009-07-21 : 13:26
Quote from: Korrtez on Tue, 2009-07-21 : 10:38
Quote from: Capuloclavo on Mon, 2009-07-20 : 16:37
Well, let's be brutally honest here. Throughout history, societal collapse has never been easy for women, especially single women. (Trust me, I'm a history major). All too often they end up only being valuable because of what they have between their legs. So, you could run to whatever would be left of the government. I'd be willing to bet that you'd end up tied to a bed with a collar around your neck and the semen of a number of different men caking dry on your thighs. Because the first priority of any military group trying to establish order is that they keep their soldiers happy... and if you aren't a medic, or have any useful survival skills they need... well... you still have a vagina...
If it were my camp or fortification, I wouldn't let you in. A single woman un-armed who has somehow survived all alone?? Yeah, I'd smell a rat and shoot you first. Anybody who tried to let you in would probably either be shot immediately or tossed over the fence to the zombies... Survival is a nasty business.
Nice imagery here Rod. Probably not far from the truth. When society falls it and people realize they won't or can't get in trouble for some of the things that are currently tagged as taboo or wrong, then they will slowly degrade into animals. Most men will degrade into 3 basic instincts; Food, shelter, and dominance over others. Which usually means women are the ones to suffer most.
3 CHEERS FOR ANAL SEX!!!!
Why is it that every fucking thread around here degrades into "ANAL SEX!!!!" ??????
"german dominatrix midget scat vomit anal porn with a dog"
are you happier now?
Quote from: Acree on Tue, 2009-07-21 : 14:40
"german dominatrix midget scat vomit anal porn with a dog"
are you happier now?
add "Satan" and "cannibalism" and I'd say you've got it covered.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Weather_Emergency_Operations_Center
Right down the road. I dismissed it since it may be a gathering point for others seeking refuge and therefore a potential flashpoint. Someone reminded me, though, it was used on 11-Sep-2001 and also during the Ebola escape in Reston. It may be a viable option.
I dunno man. It's FEMA. So, they won't have the proper supplies, the staff running the site won't be properly trained, and the security detail, (contractor probably, instead of actual U.S. Military, probably supplemented by Secret Service, if it really IS an Executive Branch continuity site), will probably shoot each other before the zombies even get there.
Just look at 2 instances, FEMA handling Hurricane Katrina, and FEMA handling the New England Blizzards in 2006. They can't find their asses with both hands, a flashlight, and a map.
ADDENDUM: Actually Pat, if you could get to here, with your skill set, you'd be golden.
(I can't believe they have information about this in the public domain. I won't say why.)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/facility/raven-rock.htm