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http://www.cracked.com/article_15643_5-scientific-reasons-zombie-apocalypse-could-actually-happen.html

After my wall of text, I was waiting for the ...

"...Holy Shit Rod, do you sit around and think about this shit all the time?"

Chuck was concerned that this thread would elicit no responses. I told him I know we're not the only ones who think about it (or the coming civil insurrection).

Quote from: Vitandus on Sun, 2009-07-19 : 17:56
Chuck was concerned that this thread would elicit no responses. I told him I know we're not the only ones who think about it (or the coming civil insurrection).

Exactly.  We realize just how bad it would get.  Those of you that live in or near large urban areas?  Either get out as fast as you can or just use the first bullet on yourself.  Even if it is Zombies and not the coming civil insurrection, the civil unrest that occurs is going to kill you before any zombies do.  Killing, raping, looting, the whole stereotypical scenario...  So, staying quiet and unseen for the first month or so is probably the best approach.  I'm personally worried about my neighbors, most of them are transplanted suburbanites.  They have no practical know-how or survival skills, so  I'm willing to bet that they'll be around to steal my food and whatever else they find.  I'd probably be better off killing them first.  Survival is a nasty business.   Most survivors who do find you are probably going to kill you for your guns, ammo, and food.  Either that or they'll just kill you for kicks, or because they want to fuck the shit out of your wife and/or kids.  Maybe they'll keep them alive so they can repeatedly fuck them or maybe they'll just kill them when they are done. Think I'm a cynic or misanthrope?  Statistics support my statements.  Read about all of the shit that went down in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.  Like I said earlier, 75% of humanity sucks ass.  

ADDENDUM:  Reading this, it really does look like I'm batshit crazy.

Quote from: Capuloclavo on Sun, 2009-07-19 : 18:07
ADDENDUM:  Reading this, it really does look like I'm batshit crazy.

No. You're a realist to the harshness of that type of scenario and what you think it would require. A view that I agree with as you know. Our fathers (at least mine) pondered the results of a nuclear holocaust and how to protect their families. We ponder a zombie apocalypse and are not going to be surprised by the coming civil unrest we foresee.

Are Violent Video Games Adequately Preparing Children For The Apocalypse?

I'm not an expert on guns, but this is the internet so I can talk. 

Wouldn't an AK be better due to the less maintenece and less training needed?

Also, on the access to gas, don't the pumps require electricity?  What is the odds the grid will be intact?

M16s are the standard AR for military and param-errr SWAT teams in the USA. Lots of ammo and easy to maintain.

Siphon gas if needed. I know I can't be the only one that's done that.

In the state of WV, fully automatic weapons are legal, with a permit that's not too hard to get.  Therefore, most M16/AR15 types of weapons are plentiful, along with the ammunition.

As for gasoline, believe it or not, most larger gas stations such as truck stops are required to have back up generators that are gas powered.  Fire 'em up and get your gasoline.  Also most Department of Highway / Department of Transportation sites - you know the places that store salt and cinders for winter?  Most of those places have one or two gas pumps, and also are required to have a back up power supply.  You can break into those places for a quick re-fill if need be. (Chuck, the PenDOT ones are almost always a good place to pick up some free gasoline, even the mostly rural ones.)
If you don't feel like siphoning gas, most gas tanks are accessible under the automobile.  All you need is something pointed, like a large nail or a screwdriver filed down to  a point, and a few milk jugs or coffee cans.

Quote from: Lumara on Sun, 2009-07-19 : 19:55
I'm not an expert on guns, but this is the internet so I can talk. 

Wouldn't an AK be better due to the less maintenece and less training needed?

Also, on the access to gas, don't the pumps require electricity?  What is the odds the grid will be intact?

m16s are increadibly easy to learn to shoot. i could teach you to pass basic military requirements in 2 maybe 3 hours.

Quote from: Vitandus on Sun, 2009-07-19 : 17:56
Chuck was concerned that this thread would elicit no responses. I told him I know we're not the only ones who think about it (or the coming civil insurrection).

I was sure that we were not the only onces who thought about it or discussed it, Pat.  But who would be willing to admit it?  I was unsure.  Also I was unsure as to how many have actually laid out a detailed plan.

I knew Rod would at least  ;D

Zombie Attack, Civil Unrest, Nuclear War, etc etc.  These all ultimately result in the same state of society.  A kind of Mad Max, Thunderdome type of society.  Or you can look at Resident Evil which I think is a very good depiction.  You can read the material on John Titor also and see how he described what a post World War 3 world might look like (regardless of whether he really was a time traveler or not, his descriptions of society post WW3 are very interesting).  There is also a very good book I read called The Immortals by Tracy Hickman that takes place after a major viral out break in the near future, also a possiblity that can create a breakdown of ordered society.

The point is that I believe it is inevitable that our world as we know can and will collapse.  Those that are interested in history can probably tell you what happened after the Roman Empire fell.  They can tell you what happened when the last bird flu hit around the time of World War 1, those countries that lost most of their population to it. 

The idea that our society is invincible is simply arrogant.

What kind of zombies are we talking about here? RE? L4D?

Quote from: Dave on Mon, 2009-07-20 : 02:00
What kind of zombies are we talking about here? RE? L4D?

Slow or fast, the danger is the same.  The idea is the same, shoot them before they get too close or avoid them entirely if possible.  For this, weaponization is key.  Something that can hit hard, is accurate at medium range and is easy for a novice to use (maybe after some quick instruction).

Quote from: Kotodama on Mon, 2009-07-20 : 02:18

Quote from: Dave on Mon, 2009-07-20 : 02:00
What kind of zombies are we talking about here? RE? L4D?

Slow or fast, the danger is the same.  The idea is the same, shoot them before they get too close or avoid them entirely if possible.  For this, weaponization is key.  Something that can hit hard, is accurate at medium range and is easy for a novice to use (maybe after some quick instruction).

mossburg shotguns, easy to load, shoot, nice solid power and you can shoot/load one if you lose an arm.

I guess you would want autmatic loading shotties.  I always love the pump action though.  Something about the sound it makes gets me all hot and bothered.