"Durotar is wrecked and apparently Orgrimmar could be destroyed. A new Orc city is rebuilt over the course of the expansion."
Interesting, as the initial thought during the Scourge invasion was that Orgrimmar might be destroyed. There are models already in the game and evidently some NPCs talk of Orgrimmar being razed.
Whar u git dis info?
mmochampion.com
Garrosh to declare open warfare on the Alliance!
MOUSE! ROD! Here we go brothers. We can finally clean their clocks for good. We need to start stacking our PvP gearz now. I want to burn them!
I hate the alliance. I back Garrosh's decision. With the coming cataclysm, I can't help but simply know in my heart that this is the fault of the Alliance.
I'm more interested in the new class combination that could be used if those are true. A Tauren Paladin or Priest would be pretty fun IMO. The Dwarf Shaman is awesome too, those little bastards are cool. :D
EDIT: I'm sad though because I won't be getting the stupid name Holycow kinda like Totemic. Some stupid 23 Shaman has it instead, I'm so sad. :(
I'm going to be annoyed if the alliance get some cool as new PC race like Worgen. And we get stuck with goblins...who gives a fuck about goblins..
It'll almost certainly be Goblin Horde and Worgen Alliance, if those are indeed the two new races. Seeing as how the goblins were originally Horde in the first two Warcraft games.
Quote from: wildcard on Sun, 2009-08-16 : 04:26
It'll almost certainly be Goblin Horde and Worgen Alliance, if those are indeed the two new races. Seeing as how the goblins were originally Horde in the first two Warcraft games.
wtb paid faction changes
Quote from: tulion on Sun, 2009-08-16 : 09:10
Quote from: wildcard on Sun, 2009-08-16 : 04:26
It'll almost certainly be Goblin Horde and Worgen Alliance, if those are indeed the two new races. Seeing as how the goblins were originally Horde in the first two Warcraft games.
wtb paid faction changes
SRSLY. Can we become the Alliance defense league? ;D
All this seems to me to be underwhelming. Severely underwhelming, in effect. Rehashing the old content like this seems lazy and a copt out.
I have no hopes that WoW can make PvP actual meaningful even with the injection of lore to add some sense of urgency.
Hope I am wrong, but this it is almost like someone at Blizzard said, "We needs another expansion for the cash..... hey, lets reuse all the old Azeroth content. Cheaper than making any new stuff. Hey, we can redo Ony and see if that works. We can add new stats and use the same art in like an afternoon and we can call if nostalgia and celebrating the games lauch. BRILLIANT! And if that works (which we know it will) we can then rehash all the vanilla stuff also. Man, this sure beats coming up with new content. Oh, we can take out those lines that forbid certain race/class combos in like 10 minutes. No new art since we added the viewer back in the 1.1x days we had to make all armor work on all races. This is going to rock and be the easiest expansion yet! We can make Azeroth flyable since no one believes the crap about it requiring work to do that.... flight paths and all that. We can use phasing to not have to come up with so many art assets for the zones also. Reuse FTW!".
Yeah, it's cynical, I know. But I can't be the only one to see how lame this direction is.
If when this comes out I am raiding BWL for Tier 12 and saving sand for Chromaggus, the nostalgia from the old 40 man content is going to last about 5 minutes. "Oneear, isn't this cool!?! NO, and if you wipe us again trying to res too close to Chromaggus' door, I will castrate you!"
Let me remind others of Horde Destruction League. If we all want to play wolfmen when the expansion hits, and alliance gets wolfmen, we have a gbank and tabbard waiting.
Yeah it might be a cop-out for Blizzard to reuse the old instances/gear, but some people will enjoy it. They are at least opening up the sealed areas and that means we might be able to do even new raids. Even then, if both of the places are war-torn, that could open up new places to go also (like Westfall being a huge war zone) because I'm sure it will all be phased like they have it now so new people won't have an Org that is collapsed and stuff like that.
So yeah, rehashing sucks, but this is their chance to change the areas to be higher levels. Plus, VanCleef could be aided by some people and be a new raid instance (please)!
Blizzard isn't one to be very original anyway. It's not surprising that they reuse almost everything, or that most of their own ideas aren't even original at all. Let's not forget that the entire basis for Warcraft was taken from Warhammer.
Quote from: One Ear on Sun, 2009-08-16 : 13:31
All this seems to me to be underwhelming. Severely underwhelming, in effect. Rehashing the old content like this seems lazy and a copt out.
I have no hopes that WoW can make PvP actual meaningful even with the injection of lore to add some sense of urgency.
Hope I am wrong, but this it is almost like someone at Blizzard said, "We needs another expansion for the cash..... hey, lets reuse all the old Azeroth content. Cheaper than making any new stuff. Hey, we can redo Ony and see if that works. We can add new stats and use the same art in like an afternoon and we can call if nostalgia and celebrating the games lauch. BRILLIANT! And if that works (which we know it will) we can then rehash all the vanilla stuff also. Man, this sure beats coming up with new content. Oh, we can take out those lines that forbid certain race/class combos in like 10 minutes. No new art since we added the viewer back in the 1.1x days we had to make all armor work on all races. This is going to rock and be the easiest expansion yet! We can make Azeroth flyable since no one believes the crap about it requiring work to do that.... flight paths and all that. We can use phasing to not have to come up with so many art assets for the zones also. Reuse FTW!".
Yeah, it's cynical, I know. But I can't be the only one to see how lame this direction is.
If when this comes out I am raiding BWL for Tier 12 and saving sand for Chromaggus, the nostalgia from the old 40 man content is going to last about 5 minutes. "Oneear, isn't this cool!?! NO, and if you wipe us again trying to res too close to Chromaggus' door, I will castrate you!"
if they redo BWL i will play wow til the shut the servers off if they redo the depression room, i wanna hear pugs cutting thier wrists in vent again
I doubt the suppression room will be the same. Afterall, they are moving away from requiring a specific class for a boss. I can't see them requiring rogues like that. And if they change it to just a click, it will ruin the gauntlet feel probably. Several of the old 40 man fights will just be kind of lame, IMO. They took all the really cool and hard parts of Naxx out when it went 25.
As far as ripping off Warhammer, oh yeah. WoW has always been just a refinement on tried and true older techniques, concepts, etc. But, I think there is a big difference between using something as inspiration (no matter how close to stealing IP it really is) and reusing old content with very minor tweaks en masse as the rumors are putting forth. The cost of game dev comes mainly from asset development. From what I have been reading Cataclysm is sounding like the least amount of content to be added.... sounds about the amount of a good content patch in terms of assets.
I hope they add some new raids and instances. And I think they will. But, this direction seems wrong to me. It seems too lazy and that does not bode well, IMO. WoW has been skating a good bit lately and this sounds like more of the same.
How can anything run by committee be wrong? ;)
I will sit back and watch and read what they're planning and sit in judgement of them.
I'm just waiting on the NEXT BIG THING. Aion I fear is not it, but I'm willing to drag a whole guild along with me to a new fantastic game!
Aion does look good and is gold today. Champions Online (also gold now) looks quite nice and I will probably try it out.
The only problem is that they are NCSoft.
Quote from: flambe on Sat, 2009-08-15 : 22:15
Garrosh to declare open warfare on the Alliance!
MOUSE! ROD! Here we go brothers. We can finally clean their clocks for good. We need to start stacking our PvP gearz now. I want to burn them!
I hate the alliance. I back Garrosh's decision. With the coming cataclysm, I can't help but simply know in my heart that this is the fault of the Alliance.
I'm with you man! I want fucking PILES of Alliance corpses.
And shame on all of you guildies that wanna play Alliance because they have some new fucking werewolf toon. What...the...fuck. Fucking crybaby emo fucking werewolves are just like crybaby fucking emo fucking vampires. Who wants to sit around saying "I don't want to be bad but I have to be. I'm so overcome with guilt because I don't want to eat flesh/drink blood but I have to. But I cry real tears through my mascara everytime I do it. I seriously do because I'm a fucking emo-pussy man-vagina. WAAH! Fucking WAAH!" And then they'll log off and go read Twilight.
At least the Forsaken say "Well, I'm a fucking living undead prick. I didn't want to be, but now I am, but am I gonna cry? Fuck No!! I'm going to go kill some of those fuckers; and then I'm going to fucking EAT THEM!" For the fucking Horde!!
This Post used the word "Fuck" or one of it's derivatives a total of 15 times.
Amen, bro.
If they make the worgen all emo, fuck em! I just think the idea of playing a wolfman and eating faces is awesome! Worgen should have a racial called eat face, or somesuch.
But I'm totally into Garrosh being leader, and having all kinds of war break out. Bring on more world pvp...Bring on more alliance to the grinder!
In the end, I want to be standing on a mound of bodies, dripping in blood and gore!
FOR THE HORDE!
I like the Goblins more anyways, Worgen is going to be too yiffyiffyiffyiff.
Quote from: Turducken on Mon, 2009-08-17 : 17:20
I like the Goblins more anyways, Worgen is going to be too yiffyiffyiffyiff.
HOT!
Quote from: Capuloclavo on Mon, 2009-08-17 : 14:15
Quote from: flambe on Sat, 2009-08-15 : 22:15
Garrosh to declare open warfare on the Alliance!
MOUSE! ROD! Here we go brothers. We can finally clean their clocks for good. We need to start stacking our PvP gearz now. I want to burn them!
I hate the alliance. I back Garrosh's decision. With the coming cataclysm, I can't help but simply know in my heart that this is the fault of the Alliance.
I'm with you man! I want fucking PILES of Alliance corpses.
And shame on all of you guildies that wanna play Alliance because they have some new fucking werewolf toon. What...the...fuck. Fucking crybaby emo fucking werewolves are just like crybaby fucking emo fucking vampires. Who wants to sit around saying "I don't want to be bad but I have to be. I'm so overcome with guilt because I don't want to eat flesh/drink blood but I have to. But I cry real tears through my mascara everytime I do it. I seriously do because I'm a fucking emo-pussy man-vagina. WAAH! Fucking WAAH!" And then they'll log off and go read Twilight.
At least the Forsaken say "Well, I'm a fucking living undead prick. I didn't want to be, but now I am, but am I gonna cry? Fuck No!! I'm going to go kill some of those fuckers; and then I'm going to fucking EAT THEM!" For the fucking Horde!!
This Post used the word "Fuck" or one of it's derivatives a total of 15 times.
actualy the forsaken a bunch of woe is my crybabies.
We know you love the pretty Blood Elves, Jon.
Honor, blood, and steel.
Lok'tar ogar!
Quote from: tulion on Mon, 2009-08-17 : 18:47
actualy the forsaken a bunch of woe is my crybabies.
Are you trying to say "Actually the forsaken are a bunch of 'woe is me' crybabies" ?
I'm trying to remember if in fact there are any story lines where the Forsaken actually express any type of 'woe is me' attitude. I think it's more like. "We died and came back undead, we were persecuted for a crime we didn't commit, so Fuck them we're going to kill them all." And you know the whole Worgen story line is going to be "we're alliance! We're good and shiny, this whole worgen thing is a terrible terrible crime and we want to be goody fucking goody". If they'd made the Worgen Horde, the attitude would be, "Hey, we're Fucking EVIL, deal with it."
Blood and Thunder, Strength and Honor indeed.
I can totally get behind Rod's position on this discussion, like Vitandus getting behind a goat.
Quote from: Kotodama on Tue, 2009-08-18 : 03:47
I can totally get behind Rod's position on this discussion, like Vitandus getting behind a goat.
I can tell you that trying to fuck Rod like I fuck them goats will not go over well for you.
Quote from: Capuloclavo on Mon, 2009-08-17 : 22:24
Quote from: tulion on Mon, 2009-08-17 : 18:47
actualy the forsaken a bunch of woe is my crybabies.
Are you trying to say "Actually the forsaken are a bunch of 'woe is me' crybabies" ?
I'm trying to remember if in fact there are any story lines where the Forsaken actually express any type of 'woe is me' attitude. I think it's more like. "We died and came back undead, we were persecuted for a crime we didn't commit, so Fuck them we're going to kill them all." And you know the whole Worgen story line is going to be "we're alliance! We're good and shiny, this whole worgen thing is a terrible terrible crime and we want to be goody fucking goody". If they'd made the Worgen Horde, the attitude would be, "Hey, we're Fucking EVIL, deal with it."
Blood and Thunder, Strength and Honor indeed.
i can think of atleast a couple in the ud starting area/uc that are omg im sooo emo but cutting just doesnt help! and i agree worgen should be horde because they would just say fuck it i need a face to eat.
a couple in the starting area != faction wide theme
http://www.wow.com/2009/08/18/a-discussion-in-defense-of-new-race-class-combinations-pt-4/
A good breakdown from, of all places, Wowinsider. I do agree with Spellbreakers. Blood elves should never have been Hunters and should be Warriors.
Gnome Priests make a lot of sense. Would be a natural for Pat. Likes to look his altar boys in the face.... over their shoulder.
In terms of UD emo.... most of the story lines are more nefarious later on that involve them. But there is all kinds. Some just can't deal. I'm an Orc at heart, though.
I agree with Rod. Putting the worgen in the alliance WILL make them be "evil but I didn't want to be and now I am trying to atone" or something equally inane, vapid, and played. That's why they have no appeal to me, personally, right now.
The goblins could be fun. Although, it would be better as WHO goblins. Those guys rock! Goblin Shaman FTW!
This new patch is going to be interesting for the Tauren race. With new classes like Pally's and Priest forming and the possible murder of there bad-ass leader Cairne Bloodhoof by Garrosh its gonna be a thing to see wat happens with this. Hope they dont make Taurens leave the Horde and become part of the alliance cuz of this :(
So has anyone thought that they might be looking at doing an engine/graphics update for the next expansion as well? It seems strange that they are starting to collect data on what we are running for hardware. I mean, they did it with EQ - So it wouldn't surprise me if they did something like this....Especially if they are going to be re-modeling most of Azeroth if the rumors/speculation are indeed true.
It's also possible it could be for the "next gen" MMO they are working on as well.
they might make them semi neutral like the Wildhammer dwarves
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/world-of-gt-wish-list/54485 (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/world-of-gt-wish-list/54485)
Mouse!!
Didn't actually click the link, I'm at work. Just haven't seen you post in a while brother! :)
Wow, very well done video. It opens up many possibilities.
All I have to say about that video and the locations mentioned in it is: Yes please.
MMO Champion is putting up info, seems like the leaked stuff is true. Goblins look so awesome to me. I might transfer my 70 Draenei Shaman or my 80 DK over to Goblin Horde. :D
Goblin Shaman, I think I know what I'm rolling come the expansion. That and I'll play a worgen as well.
I AM ROLLING A TAUREN PALADIN!!!
/THREAD!!!
Yeah I was thinking about it...now I'm not sure what I want to do. Tauren Priest or Paladin sounds good also.
Damn it, Dwarf Shaman sounds good too. Even Night Elf Mage sounds sweet. I hope Blizzard allows us to start the new class combination before the expansion.
Personally, I think lore should be thrown out the window and just let us use any class/race combination!
Goblin Mage.
Archaeology as a secondary profession?
Heroic Deadmines and Shadowfang Keep?
Battlegrounds with rated team play?
Guild leveling system and achievements?
Path of the Titans?
Shadowmourne - Legendary Axe.
Just so everyone knows - dibs.
Archaeology
Secondary profession (like cooking)
The profession will let you collect Artifacts throughout the world.
It will be used to unlock Paths of the Titan. (Character progression, more about it tomorrow)
It will also give you unique rewards like vanity pets, instant travel to a dungeon, titles, unique recipes for other professions, etc ...
Reforging
Reforging is another way to customize your gear.
It will be relatively cheap, you will need a Blacksmith / Leatherworker / Tailor / Jewelcrafter / Engineer to do it. Each profession get to reforge a type of items.
It lets you reduce one stat for another. Some restrictions will apply, you can't put the extra stat on something that is already on the item.
Professions
Multi-gains will be added, while you level up your trade skills, rare items will give you more points as you skill up. (Rare items will give you 5 points for example, while green bracers will only give one)
Gathering should be a little more fun.
Engineering is a very fun tradeskill, but it's either amazing or it sucks and everybody drops it. More convenient items like Jeeves or Wormhole Generator will be added to the profession in the future to get back to the roots of Engineering.
Fishing will also have some big changes, no details yet but it's going to be more fun.
Itemization
Mana/5 sec is gone. Spirit now regenerates mana.
All healers will get a Meditation like skill. (In combat regeneration)
Mages and Warlocks won't have to deal with Spirit on their gear anymore.
Spell Power is also gone. Intellect now provides mana AND Spell Power
Hunters and Enhancement Shamans won't have to worry about intellect anymore
Attack Power is also gone.
Agility now provides 2 AP for rogues, hunters, shaman, and druids. Plate-wearers won't steal your gear anymore!
Defense is gone. No more juggling around the cap. Tanks will receive the needed anti crit from talents (Survival of the Fittest)
Armor Penetration is gone. It was too confusing and is now replaced with a mastery.
Mastery makes you better at what you do. (more on this later)
Haste now increases rate which you gain energy, runes, rage, and focus.
Talents for Enhancement and Retribution will make this work.
Block value goes away. A block mitigates a percentage of damage. It is now a real mitigation stat.
With No Defense, Spell Power, Attack Power = more Stamina for all.
Legendary Item
Shadowmourne - Legendary Axe.
Goblins
Rocket Jump - Activate your rocket belt to jump up to 20 yards, every 2 min
Rocket Barrage - Fire your belt rockets at an enemy within 30 yards, every 2 min. (Shared cooldown with Rocket Jump)
Time is money - Cash in on a 1% increase to attack and casting speed.
Best Deals Anywhere - Best possible gold discount, regardless of reputation.
Pack Hobgoblin - Calls in your personal servent, allowing you bank access every 30 min.
Better Living Through Chemistry - Alchemy skill +15, Your potions give more health / mana
Goblins can be all classes except Paladin or Druids
Worgens
Darkflight - Activate your true form, increasing movement speed by 70% for 6 sec, every 3 min.
Viciousness - Increase damage by 1%.
Abberation - Reduced duration on Curses and Diseases used against you by 15%.
Flayer - Skinning skill +15, you skin creature fast, and you don't even need a knife.
Worgens can be all classes except Paladins or Shamans
Worgen Form
The Worgen Form is cosmetic only
out of combat you can pick between Human or Worgen.
In combat you will be a worgen.
Death Knight
Druid
Hunter
Hunter's mana is GONE!!!
Hunters now use focus, no longer care about intellect or mana regen.
Focus regenerates contunously, Steady shot improves the rate of getting focus bag.
Rogue energy comes back at a 10 / sec rate, Hunter focus comes back at 6/sec (12/sec with steady shot)
A shot costs 30 to 60 focus.
Hunters will have fewer cooldowns on abilities
Ammos will become an item, not a consumable.
Mage
Paladin
Priest
Rogue
Shaman
Warlock
Soul Shards are no longer in your bags. The goal is to make them fun, not a hassle.
Soul Shards will be integrated to the user interface. (Just like Death Knight runes)
You get three shards per fight, they will regen very quickly out of combat.
It will be possible to get more for long fights or mistakes through Drain Soul.
Soul Burn (New Spell) : Cost 1 Shard, 30 sec cooldown, off the GCD. Empowers your next spell, many (not all spells) behave differently when empowered.
Empowered Searing Pain : Next 3 Searing Pains crit
Empowered Summon Demon : Instant Cast
Empowered Soulfire : Instant Cast
Empowered Fear : Instant Cast
Empowered Death Coil : Longer Horror, more healing received.
They are only used in combat, summons or demons won't use your shards.
Warrior
# A new guild advancement system will let you earn guild perks and level a guild through 20 levels with points to spend in a talent tree. You will access abilities such as cheaper repairs, less durability loss on wipes, or mass ressurection.
epic shit is epic.
Hunters getting focus is pretty epic, but that will probably make itemization for Enhancement Shaman iffy again.
Oh and "The Firelands will be a new raid dungeon, it will let you go to the Elemental Plane of fire and visit Sulfuron's Keep, Ragnaros will be here and he's really pissed." lol
nvm about the Enhancement Shaman thing, they will probably give Enhancement a talent that increases their intellect or something. I'm more interested in this whole "talent tree revamp" now with the changes in stats and stuff.
Quote from: Turducken on Fri, 2009-08-21 : 22:54
Hunters getting focus is pretty epic, but that will probably make itemization for Enhancement Shaman iffy again.
From the sound of it, Enhancement is going to use Focus as well.
Here you go Pat!
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/august/classdiscussionspanel_041.jpg
It be Shadowmourne!
Goblin Rogue is gonna be fun to try...now the horde has there own ankle biting rogues to pester teh alliance with ;D
From watching the trailer and wat i read so far this new patch is truly gonna be epic for every1. All of our QQ's of runing through vanilla is now mostly gone, plus the world as we see it is gonna be much more different and unusually. im kinda lookin forward to running and exploring this new look on old content...not to mention having a shot at dealing with Deathwing himself.
Quote from: Turducken on Sat, 2009-08-22 : 03:36
Here you go Pat!
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/august/classdiscussionspanel_041.jpg
It be Shadowmourne!
Orc axe is orcy!
http://i.wow.com/2009/08/22/blizzcon-2009-class-discussion-panel-warlock/
Warlocks got a lot more interesting.
Quote from: Vitandus on Sat, 2009-08-22 : 15:08
Quote from: Turducken on Sat, 2009-08-22 : 03:36
Here you go Pat!
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/august/classdiscussionspanel_041.jpg
It be Shadowmourne!
Orc axe is orcy!
Hunter weapon! No really, it's Hunter and DK. :)
At least Rraagg is an Orc.
How the fuck can it be both a dk and a hunter weapon? How would you itemize that? And why give a legendary 2h to only dk's, and not warriors, and paladins too?
You have a legendary weapon open to you already.
Mouse:
Rated Battlegrounds will be an alternative way to get arena points.
Each week, one of the BG will be the Rated Battleground of the week. Winning in this battleground will improve your rating and give you points. Losing will not lower your rating.
New PvP titles will be added, as your rating progress you will unlock higher titles. If you earned a PvP title you will keep it.
When a Battleground is rated for the week, its normal non-rated version will still be available.
The amount of Arena Points will be limited to prevent grinding.
You will also earn guild level by playing these rated battlegrounds with your guildmates.
Wat is happening here is the birth of new guild incentives with the newness that is Cataclysm:
Guild experience is earned through multiple ways, players leveling, killing bosses, leveling professions, PvP victories, reputations.
Each guild level rewards you with one talent point, these talents affect the whole guild. The top 20 earners of the guild will contribute to the guild experience for the day.
Some of the guild talents will allow you to remove reagent costs from spell, get increased gold drops, summon your entire raid, rez your entire raid after a wipe, automatically transfer a % of gold dropped by bosses to the guild bank. Guild talents can be reset.
Once your guild reached level 20, the guild experience becomes a currency and let you buy things like mounts, professions plans, banners, potions, rare reagents and guild talent respecs.
Anyone can learn a guild profession recipe, if you leave the guild after learning it you will loose the recipe and it will be transferred back to the guild bank. Guild heirlooms also work the same way and are bound to the guild.
Guild Interface
Guilds will have their own achievements, some of the old achievements might be converted to guild achievements. Some of the achievements are building a legendary item, maxing out every profession, etc ...
A guild news feed will be added, it will shows boss kills, items looted, it will come with different filters to let you find specific information.
You can now check the professions of every members of your guild and check their recipes list to see if they can create an item.
You will also be able to invite other guilds to your guild events through the in-game calendar.
I'd argue the same that DK's have legendary's available to them as well :) You can go farm molten core for your thuderyfury or sulfuras.
I'm more curious as how you itemize that kind of weapon if you are making it for classes that value much different primary stats - or do you put both high str and high agi on it?
DK's and Hunters are very different beasts.
For the most part though I'm pretty psyched about the expansion. Guild leveling sounds awesome btw. With some of us achievement whores, HDL will be level 20 in no time!
Mark, there is a legendary weapon for Paladins in Ulduar!
Healer Legendary I suppose :)
I wish they had added dk's to Illidan's weapons, that'd be fucking hot.
i personaly hope cataclysm sucks, i watched the trailer and i really dont need any more fucking temptation
Quote from: Acree on Sat, 2009-08-22 : 17:25
How the fuck can it be both a dk and a hunter weapon? How would you itemize that? And why give a legendary 2h to only dk's, and not warriors, and paladins too?
Well, the Illidan weapons were Rogue, Warrior, Hunter only. But yeah, it's dumb that not all 2H users can wield it.
hunters cant use the warblades
here's hoping the epac doesnt come out til 2011
Quote from: tulion on Sun, 2009-08-23 : 13:00
here's hoping the epac doesnt come out til 2011
second that
I think they already said they want SC2 and Cataclysm to be the 2010 releases, and Diablo III not until 2011 :(
I think I should take back my earlier comments. Blizz seems to be adding quite a bit of "new" content here. Contrary to what it seemed before BlizzCon. The raiding looks to be more interesting than it was originally portrayed by MMO. The derivatives may not be as.... derivative.
Good: Mastery system, Archeology, Goblin Shaman, stat simplification
Bad: Archeology, All Worgen, Dwarf Shaman, Tauren Paladin, stat simplification
Quote from: One Ear on Mon, 2009-08-24 : 13:02
Good: Mastery system, Archeology, Goblin Shaman, stat simplification
Bad: Archeology, All Worgen, Dwarf Shaman, Tauren Paladin, stat simplification
lolwut?
Quote from: Ian on Mon, 2009-08-24 : 13:13
Quote from: One Ear on Mon, 2009-08-24 : 13:02
Good: Mastery system, Archeology, Goblin Shaman, stat simplification
Bad: Archeology, All Worgen, Dwarf Shaman, Tauren Paladin, stat simplification
lolwut?
They have both Good and Bad. Archeology seems "grindy" and it also seems to be kinda cool and will probably end up being required for raid progression through the Path of Titans. Stat simplification (for healers and caster dps) can be great, but it also seems that it will create some new problems with balance across the healer types and make a lot of the caster dps more homogeneous (both a good and bad thing).
Q u o t e:
Seriously? DKs and Hunters? What the heck is blizzard thinking. Hunters got a legendary last expansion and DKs are a brand new class. I wouldn't be so upset about DKs though if it was useable by any melee class, but theres really no reason to give hunters another legendary so soon. Ever since Tigole left, it seems like WoW is being developed by a pack of retarded monkeys.
Guys, it's a DPS 2H Axe. Unfortunately sarcasm and humor don't always read through text. So line up for your legendary weapon, deathknights, warriors, ret paladins and enhancement shaman!
This quote is taken from the Dungeouns & Raids forum on the blizzard forums. The poster is Valnoth, a blue poster.
Now that the legendary axe is confirmed for all classes that use 2h dps weapons, I call dibs!
Edit: Anyone capable of using a two-handed axe can use Shadowmourne.
The stat allocation may not benefit hunters or shamans as much as warriors, DKs or paladins.
This post taken from damage dealing forums was written by GC. So, double dibs!
I think Pat already called dibs on page 4. Too bad for you Mark. :)
Quote from: One Ear on Mon, 2009-08-24 : 13:02
Good: Mastery system, Archeology, Goblin Shaman, stat simplification
Bad: Archeology, All Worgen, Dwarf Shaman, Tauren Paladin, stat simplification
Dwarf Shaman fit with the Wildhammer Dwarves (thematically) in Hinterlands and all the lightning wielding Dwarves up in Storm Peaks. I'm totally with ya on Tauren Paladins being pretty ridiculous, tho.
Quote from: wildcard on Mon, 2009-08-24 : 15:14
Quote from: One Ear on Mon, 2009-08-24 : 13:02
Good: Mastery system, Archeology, Goblin Shaman, stat simplification
Bad: Archeology, All Worgen, Dwarf Shaman, Tauren Paladin, stat simplification
Dwarf Shaman fit with the Wildhammer Dwarves (thematically) in Hinterlands and all the lightning wielding Dwarves up in Storm Peaks. I'm totally with ya on Tauren Paladins being pretty ridiculous, tho.
Oh, they can fit lore-wise. About anything can be made to fit. That's fine. I just think a dwarf who is a shaman is stupid just like I think the entire space goat race is ludicrous. I think the ones in Storm Peaks are earthen.... different than dwarves, but a close cousin, I guess. I'm not a lore person, in any case, even if I did all the quests multiple times.
Shaman implies tribal. The "Ironforge" Dwarves (which are the players race) are not tribal enough, IMO. It just seems a bad fit, but I guess the best fit they could find on the Failliance side.
EDIT: then again, we are talking about the designers who named a lot of shaman abilities "Spirit" and the class has 0 use for the actual Spirit stat..... not that I am bitter.
What new race and class combinations will be available?
A: Nearly every existing race will gain access to a new class they haven't before. Some of the new race and class combos include dwarf mage, gnome priest, human hunter, troll druid, blood elf warrior, and tauren paladin. Since one of our goals with the expansion is to make the leveling-up process feel fresh again, it made sense to introduce these new combinations as another way for players to get a new perspective on Azeroth.
How many of us will actually try the Troll Druid? That might be kinda cool LOL
Quote from: WowSherri on Mon, 2009-08-24 : 16:05
How many of us will actually try the Troll Druid? That might be kinda cool LOL
I will almost certainly be race changing my tauren to a troll druid :D
Ah Justin.....Pat called dibs when it was still a DK only weapon... Since there is new information, his dibs is null and void. Thus, I claim new dibs. ;D
My dibs are newer than your dibs. DIBS :judge:
Quote from: wildcard on Mon, 2009-08-24 : 15:14
I'm totally with ya on Tauren Paladins being pretty ridiculous, tho.
I'LL SHOW YOU RIDICULOUS WHEN I MURDER YOUR FACE WITH MY FIRE-WINGED COW AND HIS OVER SIZED 2-HANDER!!!!1111
/feigned rage
Quote from: WowSherri on Mon, 2009-08-24 : 16:05
How many of us will actually try the Troll Druid? That might be kinda cool LOL
I'll wait to see what the forms are, then I'll decide whether to try one or maybe roll a goblin shaman alt. ;D
I claimed dibs on Frostmourne and any/all derivatives back in the Burning Crusade era. Sorry, Mark.
In other news, I hope this helps everyone:
What we were finding is that in many cases things had just become so complicated that players were not making intelligent decisions based on their knowledge of how various stats benefited them. That sounds like what you wanted to have happened, but it really wasn't. Instead players would pull up a BiS list, or plug the item into a spreadsheet. If the answer was "upgrade" they equipped the item. We could pretty much just give the items a name and art and make all the stats not displayed.
If you were one of those players who picked up a piece and understood how armor pen vs. attack power benefited you or whether defense was still worth collecting after you had hit crit immunity, then you were in the minority. Hopefully we can get back to a system where eyeballing an item's stats has some chance of being right. (Source)
I hope the Blood Elf warriors look like this:
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/e/e6/Spellbreaker.jpg)
Warriors better not look that cool unless Paladins get some cosmetic changes!
Quote from: Vitandus on Sat, 2010-02-06 : 00:33
I hope the Blood Elf warriors look like this:
But will probably look like this:
(http://www.prettyoblivion.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/10253.jpg)
Quote from: Lumara on Mon, 2010-02-08 : 19:10
Quote from: Vitandus on Sat, 2010-02-06 : 00:33
I hope the Blood Elf warriors look like this:
But will probably look like this:
(http://www.prettyoblivion.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/10253.jpg)
Oh Lord, I was at that Otakon. I have the same Little Gamers ID Tag.
That dude needs a sandwich..wtf
Quote from: Korrtez on Tue, 2010-02-09 : 16:26
That dude needs a sandwich..wtf
Just one? He could come to my house and I'll cook for him... I have a rep for making people gain weight lol
He reminds me more of Xandir from Drawn Together than something from WoW. I wonder if he can jump with a spin!
LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING
Oh Plerr